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PA Deutsch / PA German (aka PA Dutch) Ethnic Group
and Colonial USA Deutsch Ethnic Group
Anthrogenealogy Research Project/Study
using BioGeographical Ancestry (BGA) atDNA,
yDNA, and mtDNA DNA Genetic Markers

A Project to Learn More about the Genetic Genealogy
and Anthrogenealogy of our Pennsylvania Deutsch Ancestors.

Is there an Ancient Genetic Connection Between some Pennsylvania Deutsch
and their Ethnic Group founders from s.w. Germany, Switzerland, and the
Main River Valley area connecting the Danube River basin to the Rhine River basin
and Asiatic Tribes such as the Scythians, Huns, and Mongols?

Or could it be the genetic influences on the population in s.w. Germany and Switzerland from the Roman Legions
from the eastern provinces of the Roman Empire stationed there at various times to help subdue the German tribes?

by: Charles F. Kerchner, Jr.
(P.E. Retired)

A Geographic DNA Study
Project Started: 14 March 2003
Last Update: 7 Apr 2008

Copyright (c) 2003-2008
Charles F. Kerchner, Jr., P.E.
All Rights Reserved

 Volunteer Participants Wanted
View PA Deutsch Participants Test Results
View Colonial USA Deutsch Participants Test Results
Link to PA Deutsch Ethnic Group DNA Project Home Page


Hypothesis

That some people, or sub-groups, within the Pennsylvania Deutsch/German (aka PA Dutch) ethnic group may have a small but detectable percentage of Asian genetic content in their genome, of non-recent origin in a genealogist's time frame, possibly introduced into their ancestor's genomes from the major invasions of southern Germany by tribes from Asia such as the Huns and Mongol hordes which invaded Europe at various times during the period of 1600-700 years ago, or of even older more ancient origin such as from the Scythians, or all of these sources. These Asian genetic markers from invasion and gene flow from the east were then brought to Pennsylvania with the founding populations of the Pennsylvania Deutsch. In particular some religious sects such as the Moravians and Schwenkfelders may have been more heavily influenced by Asian army invasions of Europe since these religious sects were from more central eastern Europe and thus when these religious sects moved in mass to Pennsylvania seeking religious freedom after sojourning and taking refuge in s.w. Germany from religious persecution in their homeland areas, they would have brought their more eastern central European genetic markers with them to the founding populations which as all the various founding population groups in the inland counties of s.e. Pennsylvania melded over the generations prior to 1800, became known as the PA Deutsch. Data collected by this project, and subsequent analysis, will attempt to prove or disprove this hypothesis and/or will be used to eventually try and get an anthropologist or population geneticist to look at this possible "discovery" about the PA Deutsch in greater detail.

Who Can Join?

PA Deutsch / PA German (aka PA Dutch) Ethnic Group
BGA atDNA Assay Project Test Results and Other Participant Information

Ref. No.

Participant's
Birth Surname
Spelling and
Present Geographic
Locale of
Participant
and Gender

yDNA
Haplogroup
or Closest
yDNA Haplogroup
and Population
Group Origin
of Direct
Paternal Line

mtDNA
Haplogroup
or Closest
mtDNA Haplogroup
and Population
Group Origin
of Direct
Maternal Line

Self Identified
and Self Designated
%European
Ancestry
and
%PA-Deutsch
Ancestry
per
Documented
Genealogy Evidence

atDNA
Testing
Results of DNAPrint
Anthropological
BioGeographical
Ancestry (BGA)Test
Assay of Autosomal
atDNA in Person's
Total Genome

577

KERCHNER
Pennsylvania
male

R1b1c10
(European)
YSNP Verified
M269+ U152+
Y-STR Data

H1a
(European)

European 100%
PA Deutsch 97%

DNAPrint
Ver. 2.5-2004:
European 93%
Asian 7%

DNAPrint
Ver. 2.0-2003:
European 79%
Asian 21%

DNAPrint
Ver. 2.0-2004
"Re-Score":
European 79%
Asian 21%

Triangle Plots

Me

762

KERCHNER
Pennsylvania
male

N
(Northern Eurasian)
YSNP Verified
LLY22+

H
(European)

European 100%
PA Deutsch 100%

DNAPrint
Ver. 2.0-2003
European 100%

784

KERCHNER
Pennsylvania
male

R1b1
(European)

I
(European)

European 100%
PA Deutsch 75%

DNAPrint
Ver. 2.0-2003
European 94%
Asian 6%

11169

HERBEIN
Delaware
female

N/A
female

H
(European)

European 100%
PA Deutsch 93%

DNAPrint
Ver. 2.0-2003
European 100%

11231

FRANTZ
Pennsylvania
male

R1b1
(European)

U5a1
(Near Eastern)

European 100%
PA Deutsch 100%

DNAPrint
Ver. 2.0-2003
European 95%
Asian 5%

13099

GORDON
New York
female

N/A
female

K
(European)

European 100%
PA Deutsch 75%

DNAPrint
Ver. 2.0-2003
European 95%
Asian 5%

13160

NOLL
Maryland
male

E3b
(Mediterranean
Middle Eastern)

Test to Be Ordered

European 100%
PA Deutsch 100%

DNAPrint
Ver. 2.5-2006
European 92%
SS African 5%
Asian 3%

13687

STRUNK
Pennsylvania
female

N/A
female

H1a
(European)

European 100%
PA Deutsch 97%

DNAPrint
Ver. 2.0-2003
European 88%
Asian 12%

28709

MOYER
Pennsylvania
female

N/A
female

U7
(Near Eastern)

European 100%
PA Deutsch 90%

DNAPrint
Ver. 2.0-2004
European 100%

29975

SNYDER
California
female

N/A
female

HV*
(European)

European 100%
PA Deutsch 75%

DNAPrint
Ver. 2.5-2004
European 96%
SS African 4%

32887

SCHREFFLER
Pennsylvania
male

J2
(Mediterranean
Middle Eastern)
YSNP Verified
M172+

U5a1
(Near Eastern)

European 100%
PA Deutsch 75%+

DNAPrint
Ver. 2.5-2005
European 95%
Asian 5%

49795

GILBERT
Pennsylvania
male

I1b
(European)
YSNP Verified
P37.2+

To Be Ordered

European 100%
PA Deutsch 95%+

DNAPrint
Ver. 2.5-2005
European 100%

50574

KUHNS
Ohio
male

R1b1
(European)

H
(European)

European 100%
PA Deutsch 75%

DNAPrint
Ver. 2.5-2006
European 90%
Asian 10%

63206

ECK
Pennsylvania
male

R1b1
(European)

HV*
(European)

European 100%
PA Deutsch 100%

DNAPrint
Ver. 2.5-2006
European 100%

N54877

SCHMEHL
Pennsylvania
male

R1b1c
(European)

U*
(European)

European 100%
PA Deutsch 100%

DNAPrint
Ver. 2.5-2008
European 76%
Asian 13%
SS African 11%

-

-

yDNA HGs

mtDNA HGs

-

-

Y-DNA and mtDNA Haplotypes for Participants in PA Deutsch Project

Others Tested with the DNAPrint Test
who are in the Colonial USA Deutsch Project
(Pre-1800 German Speaking Settlers in Original Colonies/States other than PA)
BGA atDNA Assay Project Test Results and other Colonial USA Deutsch Participant Information

Ref. No.

Participant's
Birth Surname
Spelling and
Colonial USA
Locale of
Participant's
Ancestors

Y-DNA Haplogroup
or Closest
Haplogroup
and Population
Group Origin
of Direct
Paternal Line

mtDNA Haplogroup
or Closest
mtDNA Haplogroup
and Population
Group Origin
of Direct
Maternal Line

Self Identified
and Self Designated
% European
% Deutsch
Ancestry With
Supporting
Genealogy Chart

Results of DNAPrint
Anthropological
BioGeographical
Ancestry (BGA)Test
Assay of Autosomal
atDNA in Person's
Total Genome

40700
Ysearch
PETCD

MARTIN
South Carolina
male

C3
(Central Asian)
YSNP Verified
M217+
P39-

H
European

European 100%
Colonial USA Deutsch 100%

DNAPrint 2.5-2006
European 99%
Native American 1%

-

-

yDNA HGs

mtDNA HGs

-

-

Y-DNA and mtDNA Haplotypes for Participants in Colonial USA Deutsch Project



Annotated Satellite Image with Ancestral Towns Locations shown for Project Participants who know that data.

Annotated Map with Ancestral Towns Locations shown for Project Participants who know that data
and the mighty battle between the Roman Empire Legions and the Hun Empire Army circa 452 a.d.

Map Showing River Systems of Western Europe and Rough Topography
This basic map of the major river systems of Western Europe shows how the Hun Army
could have logically used the Danube River headwaters to the Main River headwaters
and from thence to the Rhine River basin for ingress to and egress from Western Europe
and vice versa. The Rhine River is shown in blue.


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Geographic Regions of the World per Parline Database

Ancient DNA Tells Tales from the Grave

The Huns per Wikipedia - The Free Online Encyclopedia

Steppe and Central Asian Nomads

The Xiong-Nu Empire

Attila and the Huns Campaign in Gaul in 451CE. (Nice Map)

The Hunnic Empire

Attila the Hun

The Huns

The Genetic Legacy of the Mongols

The Scythians


More Information About the PA Deutsch/Germans, aka PA Dutch

Who Can Join the Project?

The project is seeking participation from genealogists whose ancestry is predominantly PA Deutsch. You must know and have documented that PA Deutsch roots exist in both your father's and mother's sides. You must be able to document your genealogy back at least 5-6 generations and be able to provide a standard genealogical ancestry chart to verify your PA Deutsch ancestry. While the initial participants were derived from my prior Y-DNA surname projects, participants of any PA Deutsch surname are being actively sought and encouraged to join this new project. This is not a single surname or typical genealogy project. This is an ethnic group anthropological study project. The more diverse the group of PA Deutsch participants we have participating the better. What is required to join is that you be of self-identified PA Deutsch ancestry and be genealogically documented as predominantly of "PA Deutsch/German, aka PA Dutch" ancestry (75%, i.e., 6 of 8 of your great-grandparents, or more). In addition to YDNA and mtDNA testing, this project uses autosomal DNA testing which is why at least 6 of 8 of your great-grandparents must be of PA Deutsch origins. And you must have supporting traditional genealogical information to document your PA Deutsch ancestry. And you have to be willing to submit a DNA sample for the DNA tests and share the test results with this project. The specific identity of participants in this project will be kept confidential. Only surnames and current state of residence will be disclosed. Participants must be individuals who self-identify themselves and their heritage as being predominantly PA Deutsch. Participants or their immediate ancestors do not have to now live in PA. But they must be able to trace most of their early paternal and maternal line ancestry back to PA and to document that 75% or more of their early ancestry came from PA Deutsch ancestors. In other words at least 6 out of 8 of your great-grandparents must be of PA Deutsch heritage. In addition to being of documented PA Deutsch ancestry, the ideal candidate for this project would be male bearing a PA Deutsch surname, since males can also provide the paternal line Y Chromosome DNA test results, which females don't have. If the males in the family are not into genealogy, then a female genealogist can sponsor a male member of her family such as a brother, father, uncle, grandfather, or great-uncle as long as he is willing to be the proxy for the family to provide the DNA sample. But if a male is not available or unwilling to participate, the project is also open to females with a PA Deutsch maiden name directly. The only required DNA test to participate in this project currently is the DNAPrint Version 2.5 BioGeographical Ancestry test. However, you will be encouraged to also take one of the other tests over time, such as the Y-DNA paternal line Y Chromosome DNA test the mtDNA maternal line Mitochondria DNA test, as one can afford to do them, if you have not already done the additional tests previously, in order to gain the additional anthropological data from those tests. But, depending on the availability of funds, ideally it would be benefical to the project database if some of the supplemental DNA tests can be ordered simultaneously with the required DNAPrint test. Please contact me if interested or if you have more questions.

Contact Me And Join The Project

Deutsch but your Colonial Ancestors didn't settle in Pennsylvania. See the new "Colonial USA Deutsch" project.


Benefits of Participation

Some benefits of participation in this project and using new Genealogy by Genetics tools:
1. Using the various tests you will identify a genetic genealogy profile of your family line.
2. You will be joining the ranks of a select few early Genetics and Genealogy Pioneers and will have the satisfaction of knowing that you are an early participant in a state-of-the-art project which is contributing to the world knowledge base for this new and exciting field, Genealogy by Genetics.
3. You may identify your roots when traditional documentary genealogical research methods have failed.
4. Your results may identify information offering clues of where to focus and pursue additional traditional documentary genealogical research.
5. You may be able to verify once and for all that your traditional documentary genealogical work is accurate and scientifically verified.
6. You may get clues or help others get clues as to the village of origin in Europe of their immigrant ancestor.
7. If you live in Europe with a similar surname to another participant you may find descendants and cousins living in the USA you did not know you had.
8. Your DNA will be preserved for the future at no additional cost. Thus, you leave something for posterity for use by future members of your family. This is especially important for older members of a family, particularly if that older person is the last surviving male member of the family. Note: if that elderly person cannot afford the test another family member can sponsor and pay for the test.
9. You may identify new genetic cousins you did not know you had.
10. By donating a DNA sample now for posterity, your descendants won't have to dig you up later. :-)

How Much Do The Various DNA Tests Cost?

The testing company I have selected to use for coordination of this project for YDNA and mtDNA testing is FamilyTreeDNA. When ordering your sample collection kit from FamilyTreeDNA you can get a substantially reduced cost when you place your order through me as the Group Coordinator and the substantially discounted group rate price if available for that test. When you are ready to order your sample collection kit, email me and let me know your complete name and postal mail address, and telephone number, and that you want to submit a sample and order a kit and I will place your order and get you the discounted price if available for that kit. You will receive your invoice directly from FamilyTreeDNA.com with your sample collection kit. As of 2004 the group discounted net prices are: $219 for the DNAPrint Ver. 2.5 BioGeographical Ancestry (BGA) test, $169 (group) for the 25 Marker Y-DNA test, $99 (group) for the 12 Marker Y-DNA kit, and $179 (group) for the mtDNA kit. The minimum test kit you need to order to start participation in this project is the DNAPrint Version 2.5 test kit. As you can see by checking the list prices in the FamilyTreeDNA.com website for the FamilyTreeDNA tests, these prices are substantially better than ordering directly from the testing company individually. Unfortunately AncestrybyDNA.com does not offer any discounts for this project. Combination orders at lower prices for some tests are available if you want to order mutiple tests at the same time. All prices quoted above are at cost and are paid directly to the testing labs. I am conducting this project as part of my hobby interests in genealogy and the PA Deutsch Ethnic group and do not earn any commissions from any tests ordered as part of this project. Any questions, please contact me and I will be happy to try and answer your questions.

Contact Me And Join The Project

Link to PA Deutsch Ethnic Group DNA Project Home Page

Kerchner Y-DNA Project Homepage

Kerchner Genealogy Home Page

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Copyright ©2003-2008
Charles F. Kerchner, Jr., P.E.
All Rights Reserved
Project Started - 14 Mar 2003
Webpage Created - 22 Apr 2003
Last Updated - 13 Mar 2008